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So far today has been good. Thank you, God. I have some wierd…

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So far today has been good. Thank you, God.

I have some wierd thoughts, though and I invite comments.

I've been thinking a LOT about the idea of 'original sin'. And it really bugs me that a God who would make man in His own image would then blame all mankind for the actions of Adam and Eve. It just doesn't seem JUST, and God is a just Being.

So I started thinking. What if the story of Adam and Eve proceeded from the observation of some profoundly human traits? That human beings are not guided mainly by instinct as animals are, but are learning, adaptive creatures. We have free will, and this means that while we can choose, we can choose *wrongly* too. That no one is without this potential to choose wrongly.

It's not that we are quintessentially *bad* but that we as human beings if allowed to follow our own desires to their natural end generally won't choose things that are good for us, we'll choose things that are good at the moment. And God stepped in, to give us this person, this perfect payment for all the wrong choices and the bad things we do do.

It's not a fully fleshed-out thought. But it really bugs me that we should praise God as the fount of all compassion, if he cannot be just enough to blame people for the things that we really do do..and not judge us all guilty by attainder.
  • (no subject) - barahirion
    • I don't know what Dime mas means, but thank you for commenting. I'm still stuck as to how Evil works into the picture, unless you could call evil selfishness, laziness, the willingness to be cruel, all those instincts that are either good things misused or perverted.
  • No, I don't think "old school" Catholics wouldn't have burnt her at the stake. That stuff may have come from what our Spanish brethren called "La Layenda Negra", or The Black Legend. It was about how the history of the Spanish Inquisition would do all those lurid and bloody deeds attributed to it. But most of it was concocted by the English, who were involved in a power struggle with Spain during those times.

    In any case, Jade, on your very poignant musings on Original Sin, please allow me to suggest you contact a couple of websites that may help in your research:

    (Being a Traditional Catholic myself - no fan of Vatican 2 - I must admit a preference for these sites. But I ask you to accept these suggestions only to help you with your search. And I thank you for your kind patience with me on this.)

    http://www.catholicintl.com - Catholic Apologetics International, headed by author Robert Sungenis

    http://www.cathinsight.com - Catholic Insight, headed by Mario Derksen

    If I can be of any further help, please let me know. Again, thank you for permitting my comments to you, as well as your patience with me.
  • Actually what you are saying fits very well with the core of Christian thought -- the core that is there through a couple of thousand years. C.S. Lewis discusses this in many of his books; he was a professor at Oxford and then Cambridge, a close friend of J.R.R. Tolkien, and wrote the Narnia series, an adult science fiction trilogy, and many many books about theology in plain intelligent language. I think the point that you are making, and that Lewis makes, is not that human beings are inherently evil due to Adam and Eve's bad choice, but that we are all inherently flawed which is a result of the choices they made (and that we still make).

    Lewis is very good about avoiding and confronting fads in theological thought. Christianity and proper diet, Christianity and animal rights, Christianity and ecology, Christianity and patriotism, Christianity andmaking money -- all that sort of thing.
  • There is a fascinating sociological/anthropological take on this very topic in the beginning chapters of When God Was A Woman by Merlin Stone. I recommend it. :)
  • I like thinking that we're the theological equivalent of domesticated foxes.
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