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Living ethically and being forgiven

Living ethically and being forgiven

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may God stand
Okay..I was raised as a Christian.

I am now pagan.

What does a pagan do for forgiveness?

How do I live ethically?

How do I forgive myself?

I can't just *be* something I am not. There is a part of me that insists that while things have relationships to one another, 'everything is not everything.' So how do you either avoid formlessness or narrowminded literalism?

I think I need more sleep. And maybe to get out more.

Can the dead forgive?
  • Ethics

    Apply the Golden Rule (you might want to choose the broad or limited version of the Rule - ie. 'do unto others' or 'do not unto others'), and everything else will work out from it. This is all ethics a human needs.

    As for forgiveness - it's all up to you. I can tell for myself that I tend to forgive most things simply because I can't be bothered with being angry at people. Unless there's a good opportunity for revenge. But there's no _obligation_ to forgive outside Christianity, so you can choose freely...
    • Re: Ethics

      There is better example of Golden Rule in all religions (including several 'pagan' ones) here
      • Re: Ethics

        Thank you so much for replying to this. It really helped a lot to read that. I feel sometimes like I'm (to quote Dave Allen) a blind man, in a totally black room, trying to find a black cat.
        • Re: Ethics

          I feel sometimes like I'm (to quote Dave Allen) a blind man, in a totally black room, trying to find a black cat.
          I hate to nitpick* but when trying to find for a black cat in a black room, a blind man is likely to do better than a sighted-man who's used to finding by looking. So the quote seems rather inapropriate.

          *ok, I LOVE to nitpick this kinda thing
      • Re: Ethics

        I'll pick that nit right along with you. I contend--not necessarily. Being blind does not sharpen hearing, or smell or touch as a matter of course, you have to *learn* how to pay attention to your senses. And if the blind person is either new to blindness, or in a room they don't know, I'd say they were about equal in their odds of trying to find a highly mobile, quiet target.

        The joke goes however, something like this:

        An atheist meets with the Pope, who advises him that being an atheist is like being a blind man in a pitch-dark room and trying to find a black cat. He (the atheist) needs God, in order to find the truth.

        The atheist replies that yes, indeed. Being an atheist is like being a blind man in a pitch dark room and trying to find a black cat. "The difference between you and me is, you think you've got him."
        • Re: Ethics

          Being blind does not sharpen hearing, or smell or touch as a matter of course, you have to *learn* how to pay attention to your senses.
          I absolutly, totally agree. But did I say that sharpened senses are the reason the blind man is likely to do better?

          And if the blind person is either new to blindness, or in a room they don't know, I'd say they were about equal
          Sorry I avoided that nit with the careful use of "is _likely_ to do better". It's also possible for a sighted man to be used to working in a pitch black environment, or thinks before acting on instinct. I'm talking probabilities.

          Btw, I don't get the joke. Should that be an agnostic?
          • Re: Ethics

            Btw, I don't get the joke. Should that be an agnostic?
            Perhaps. A real atheist would have contended that there is no cat.
      • Re: Ethics

        I was going to say that to the blind man the light in the room and the colour of the cat hardly matter.

        And yes, I love nitpicking as well.
    • Re: Ethics

      Be carefull when applying the golden rule, though. Not everyone wants to be treated the way you want to be treated.
  • some tips from the pagan tamils

    every year, on the holiday of Pongal, many tamils light a big bonfire and throw their misdeeds into it ("you just let them flow from you into the fire," twiggy says).

    it's also considered good to go through your actions of the previous day before you go to sleep at night. question why you did each action, and "settle it within yourself".

    dunno if this helps, but this is how some people do it.
  • Thank you, Tamf!
    ::hugs you much::

    Thank you very much. There's something like that in my tradition too. I think I will do that.

    Nikki
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